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Are these people 'paid clegry'?

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1 Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:56 am

1. First Presidency
2. The Quorum of the 12 Apostles
3. The Quorums of the Seventy
4. The Presiding Bishopric

UNDER THE DIRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST, the Church is led by 15 apostles, who are also regarded as prophets, seers, and revelators. The man who has been an apostle the longest is the President of the Church, and by inspiration he selects two other apostles as counselors. These three function as the First Presidency, which is the highest governing body of the Church.

Members of the First Presidency are special witnesses of Jesus Christ, called to teach and testify of Him throughout the world. They travel frequently, addressing and encouraging large congregations of members and interested nonmembers, as well as meeting with local leaders.

When they are not traveling, members of the First Presidency counsel together and with other general Church leaders on matters affecting the worldwide Church, such as missionary work, temple building, spiritual and temporal welfare, and much more.

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2 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:54 am

Drifting1 wrote:1. First Presidency
2. The Quorum of the 12 Apostles
3. The Quorums of the Seventy
4. The Presiding Bishopric

UNDER THE DIRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST, the Church is led by 15 apostles, who are also regarded as prophets, seers, and revelators. The man who has been an apostle the longest is the President of the Church, and by inspiration he selects two other apostles as counselors. These three function as the First Presidency, which is the highest governing body of the Church.

Members of the First Presidency are special witnesses of Jesus Christ, called to teach and testify of Him throughout the world. They travel frequently, addressing and encouraging large congregations of members and interested nonmembers, as well as meeting with local leaders.

When they are not traveling, members of the First Presidency counsel together and with other general Church leaders on matters affecting the worldwide Church, such as missionary work, temple building, spiritual and temporal welfare, and much more.

Yes!

These people ARE paid clergy. As I stated on another thread, the Church really should change their statement regarding paid clergy. The LDS Church is still unique in the fact that it does not pay local clergy.

In many churches, the local minister, the choir, the choir director, musician, certain organizational committees, etc. are all paid. The LDS Church is unique in the fact that it does not pay clergy on the local level.

I do not understand why this cannot be expressed.

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3 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:11 am

AdminLiz wrote:
Drifting1 wrote:1. First Presidency
2. The Quorum of the 12 Apostles
3. The Quorums of the Seventy
4. The Presiding Bishopric

UNDER THE DIRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST, the Church is led by 15 apostles, who are also regarded as prophets, seers, and revelators. The man who has been an apostle the longest is the President of the Church, and by inspiration he selects two other apostles as counselors. These three function as the First Presidency, which is the highest governing body of the Church.

Members of the First Presidency are special witnesses of Jesus Christ, called to teach and testify of Him throughout the world. They travel frequently, addressing and encouraging large congregations of members and interested nonmembers, as well as meeting with local leaders.

When they are not traveling, members of the First Presidency counsel together and with other general Church leaders on matters affecting the worldwide Church, such as missionary work, temple building, spiritual and temporal welfare, and much more.

Yes!

These people ARE paid clergy. As I stated on another thread, the Church really should change their statement regarding paid clergy. The LDS Church is still unique in the fact that it does not pay local clergy.

In many churches, the local minister, the choir, the choir director, musician, certain organizational committees, etc. are all paid. The LDS Church is unique in the fact that it does not pay clergy on the local level.

I do not understand why this cannot be expressed.

Because it makes the LDS clergy who ARE paid look bad.

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4 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:28 am

White Buffalo wrote:Because it makes the LDS clergy who ARE paid look bad.

Look bad to whom? The members? The members who I have associated with over the years have absolutely no problem with the GA's receiving a stipend for what they do.

I think that the biggest thing we would have to deal with from a PR perspective is the comparison between our Church and the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church pays the Cardinals, Pope, etc. Several decades ago, the LDS Church referred to the Catholic Church as the "great whore of the earth".

That is no longer the case. President Hinckley went a long way in building the reputation of the LDS Church being a Christian Church, and being more accepting of ALL other Christian sects.

However, there would be the great irony of the LDS Church operating very similarly to the Catholic Church in the respect of paid ministry.

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5 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:45 am

Nearly all churches have a paid clergy. The pay for Catholic priests is minimal, because they do not have a family to support (except in very rare instances).

I still maintain that the "paid clergy" of Mormonism are not clergy. Rather, they are businessmen, who have no education in the necessary areas, other than running a business. Furthermore, like the Anglicans of the nineteenth century, they are primarily independently wealthy, so have no need for a paycheck from the church. Of course, they do receive substantial paychecks, but the nineteenth century Anglicans did not.

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6 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:00 pm

MCB wrote:Nearly all churches have a paid clergy. The pay for Catholic priests is minimal, because they do not have a family to support (except in very rare instances).

I still maintain that the "paid clergy" of Mormonism are not clergy. Rather, they are businessmen, who have no education in the necessary areas, other than running a business. Furthermore, like the Anglicans of the nineteenth century, they are primarily independently wealthy, so have no need for a paycheck from the church. Of course, they do receive substantial paychecks, but the nineteenth century Anglicans did not.


Our leaders have plenty of education, if the church is a business.

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7 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:03 pm

harmony wrote:
MCB wrote:Nearly all churches have a paid clergy. The pay for Catholic priests is minimal, because they do not have a family to support (except in very rare instances).

I still maintain that the "paid clergy" of Mormonism are not clergy. Rather, they are businessmen, who have no education in the necessary areas, other than running a business. Furthermore, like the Anglicans of the nineteenth century, they are primarily independently wealthy, so have no need for a paycheck from the church. Of course, they do receive substantial paychecks, but the nineteenth century Anglicans did not.


Our leaders have plenty of education, if the church is a business.

I don't think there is any denying that the Church is, in fact, a business. It is, after all, The Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

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8 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:23 pm

MCB wrote:Nearly all churches have a paid clergy. The pay for Catholic priests is minimal, because they do not have a family to support (except in very rare instances).

I still maintain that the "paid clergy" of Mormonism are not clergy. Rather, they are businessmen, who have no education in the necessary areas, other than running a business. Furthermore, like the Anglicans of the nineteenth century, they are primarily independently wealthy, so have no need for a paycheck from the church. Of course, they do receive substantial paychecks, but the nineteenth century Anglicans did not.


Religion is a business. They have been making money for thousands of years. So the paid clergy of Mormonism is still a clergy. Just becuase some religions require some kind of schooling from the religion does not mean all religions have to to be clergy.

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9 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:36 pm

Liz, I think the difficulty comes because the Church has claimed...proclaimed...that it doesn't have a paid clergy. Stating that it does would be an admission it had been lying.

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10 Re: Are these people 'paid clegry'? on Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:19 pm

Catholic parishes have business managers and diocesan offices have the same. Paid. Frees up the clergy to do what they are supposed to do.

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